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Welcome to "You Don't Want a Hug ... Right?" We exist to discuss the delight and hilarity in the midst of the hard of walking alongside neurodivergent humans. At the core of our work, we aim to honor the dignity of our entire community while providing connection in what so often feels like an isolating existence.

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Meet Your Podcast Hosts...

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We're Kristen (the one laughing) and Gwen (the one flabbergasted). So pleased to meet you.  Collectively, we've spent 35 years parenting six fierce, neurodivergent humans. We're teachers, authors, and advocates, and we stand firm in recognizing and sitting in impossibly difficult realities while delighting in them at the very same time. Thanks for visiting!  We couldn't be more pleased that you found us.

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Carol, Michigan

“The world is a better place because of this work you ladies are doing.  I found myself feeling very emotional and relating to your episode on isolation and I do not have children with disabilities.  Thank you so much for using your talents to help create more understanding for this community of valuable people!”

Amy, Colorado

“Congratulations on your new podcast!  I’m so wowed by you!  In the past nine months it’s become apparent to me that my daughter and I are both Autistic.  Thank you for sharing your stories with the world and for helping even more people than you both already have!”  

Mary Kay, Michigan

 "I love your juxtaposition of hilarious and hard, and the discussion of dignity, and the partnership expressed in “The Last Word”. So fine. So heart engaging. So refreshing. So present to those who may feel alone.  It’s all “grace” for ruffled souls. With delight and encouragement on your venture!"

Jana, Oregon

"My long lost best friends! I just stumbled upon your podcast this morning and I have a feeling it will be life changing for me. I feel so seen! I have 3 kiddos, 2 of them are neurodiverse and we live in a very high functioning, sports driven community. While everyone is participating in soccer, football and cheerleading teams and birthday parties, here we are attending physical therapy, occupational therapy, talk therapy, all the therapies just trying to make it through the school day without any crisis and tolerating people. It is SO isolating and I have been feeling so low this weekend and like a failure of a parent, and then I hear your podcast and I’m able to laugh and feel more understood." Thank you!!!

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